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PODCAST OF THE DEBATE BETWEEN ZYNGIER AND McDONALD
February 18, 2013
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Well spoken Dr David Zyngier.
Indeed that you have brought your point across and on a number of times you had Graham McDonald stumped however the ever so faithful fundamentals would not be swayed because they are mandated by the great commission.
I really loved the debate however I am sad that I missed out on the people’s comments.
Good on you doctor. Thank you for being our voice last night. Be assured that there are many who support you and are also working hard for change.
Some good points raised on your part. A rather weak argument from Graham.
Your opponent demonstrated that he believes he has a mandate to save the souls of as many children as he can. At least you got him to indicate that SRI is not about education, but more to do with manipulating the spirituality of children and that they go into schools with an agenda.
I listened to the podcast of your debate, but managed to catch some of the callers comments live, all of which were in support of SRI and many were active in children’s ministry. You just can’t reason with these people. Their eyes and ears are closed to reality.
What on earth does McDonald mean by “all children have a spiritual dimension to their lives”? These sort of nonsensical assertions are typical of the faithful – these sorts of meaningless statements are just white noise and add exactly zero to the debate.
As Dr Zyngier rightully points out during the debate, all of the values which advocates of SRE claim religious instruction teaches to children are in no way at all exclusive to religion.
I’m sure I heard Graham McDonald say at one point that proselytising was part of SRI. Surely he’s not suggesting that because it’s only PART of what they do, that makes it okay!
You can also download the mp3 file yourself as evidence Lisel.
http://downloads.hopemedia.com.au/oh/OH_DavidGrahamScripture_2013-02-17.mp3
Downloaded the audio track and played through my audio engineering software, Sony Sound Forge
Quoted Transcript of the section in general (00:11:58 to 00:12:08) that was downloaded.
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Adjudicator DJ: But it’s about making disciples… bringing about the conversion of kids in schools.
Graham: Well… that’s… that maybe a… a component of it.
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This is further evidence that they are proselytising by stealth through so-called values lessons. The evidence is abundant and many xians are deleting them off their records on web sites etc.